How good is a Flexsteel sofa?
Monday, December 17, 2018
Written by Jeff Frank
Categories: Furniture Construction Furniture Retailers and Manufacturers Sofas, Sleepers and other upholstered furniture
Tags: Flexsteel Flexsteel sofa Flexsteel sleeper Flexsteel sectional Furniture retailers and manufacturers how good is a flexsteel sofa?
Flexsteel is an American manufacturer that has been producing mid-priced upholstered seating for more than 100 years.
The company has multiple U.S. factories. Flexsteel's Latitudes line is manufactured in China.
Retail salespeople do not always do a good job of distinguishing between U.S. made Flexsteel furniture and the imported Latitude models.
There are a large number of customer complaints that can be found through a Google search.
Latitudes seems to account for a disproportionate share of the total complaints. But it is not the only thing to watch out for.
It is my impression that most customer complaints and problems involve three specific areas:
1) Bonded leather fabrics (This includes Flexsteel's Nuvo leather fabrics.)
2) Large reclining furniture (individual recliners seem to have fewer problems and are easier to repair.)
3) The Made in China Latitudes line.
If you can avoid these three problem areas there is a good chance you will be very happy with your Flexsteel furniture.
The three problem areas cited above are not just for Flexsteel. They apply to most low and mid-priced mass produced upholstered furniture.
Bonded leather fabrics account for a huge percentage of complaints throughout the furniture industry.
The bonded leather problem is particularly acute with reclining furniture.
Lots of motion furniture is purchased with bonded leather fabrics.
Bonded leather is a weak material. It does not have the durability of genuine leather made from hides.
For more information about bonded leathers check out my article What are the Pros and Cons of Bonded Leather Furniture?.
When you combine flimsy bonded leather with reclining furniture you multiply your chances of potential problems.
The extra movement that occurs on reclining furniture adds additional strain to an already fragile material.
Large reclining sofas and sectionals are extremely heavy. They put a lot of strain on the furniture's frame. Stationary sofa frames get far less abuse from normal use.
Mechanisms can be pushed out of alignment. This frequently happens during shipping. Heavy use or moving furniture within the home can also cause mechanism malfunctions.
Flexsteel’s quality compares favorably with other similarly priced motion furniture manufacturers. But you can expect a higher rate of problems with this furniture category.
In general upholstered furniture does not last as long as it did 15 or 20 years ago.
Over the past 10 years furniture manufacturing has become extremely competitive.
Most small and mid-size retailers have already closed down or sold out to the large chains.
The large retail chains encourage cut throat competition. Relatively few manufacturers are large enough to supply the bigger chains.
Buyers for these large retailers hold enormous power. In many cases they can dictate the price they are willing to pay for a particular model.
It is up to the manufacturer to meet that price. The buyer specifies how the product must look and feel.
Sometimes the only way to meet those demands is by shaving costs in places that are not visible.
Lowering labor costs has also become a vital competitive strategy.
Cheaper foam will last long enough to satisfy the warranty.
Plywood frames have mostly replaced solid hardwood.
Tight, non-removable cushions reduce the cost of fabric.
Styles have become simplified. Fabrics are now cut by computer and pre-sewn into covers that are "socked on" to each part of the sofa.
This allows lower skilled upholsterers to work faster and increase productivity. It also limits the style and design options.
Highly skilled frame makers and upholsterers can create a wide range of complex and beautiful designs that are not possible for the mass producers.
Customers frequently complain that all furniture looks the same. This is a major reason.
A recent survey of consumers planning to buy sofas has indicated that most people now expect their sofas to last only 3-5 years.
15 years ago a similar survey indicated that sofas were expected to last 7 - 10 years.
Flexsteel pays more attention to the internal quality of its furniture than many of its competitors.
The blue steel spring foundation gave the company its name more than 100 years ago. It is very comfortable and may be the strongest, longest lasting spring foundation ever made.*
* In a 1980s government contract dispute, a federal court ruled that Flexsteel's blue steel spring foundation was "as good or better" than Drexel-Heritage's 8 way hand tied foundation.
The blue steel spring is far more costly than the standard sinuous wire springs found in most competitively priced furniture.
At one time the Latitudes line did not include the blue steel spring. Flexsteel has updated the imported products to include the Blue Steel Spring.
It is easy to tell whether your Latitude furniture includes the blue steel spring. Turn the piece over to see the bottom.
If there is no fabric dust cover you will be able to see the wide blue steel spring. If there is a dust cover hiding the sofa's insides the blue spring is not there.
The Latitude line still seems to have a higher rate of complaints than domestically made Flexsteel furniture.
Flexsteel sells a lot of genuine leather. They have multiple grades which vary widely in price and quality.
Flexsteel is also one of the largest manufacturers of sofas and sleepers for RVs and other recreational vehicles.
Most of this RV furniture is manufactured in the U.S.
In general RV furniture has a lower level of quality than similarly priced furniture found in stores.
One reason for this is the added dealer installation costs. Another is that there are very few manufacturers making RV furniture. And it is usually available only through a limited number of RV dealers.
Flexsteel's quality is generally considered to be at the upper end of the RV furniture marketplace.
Since I first published this article I have heard from many Flexsteel customers.
Many of them have owned their Flexsteel furniture for 10 years or more. These long-term customers are very satisfied.
Additional Note - Flexsteel was one of my clients from 1984 - 1989. During that period I sold approximately $15 million of Flexsteel furniture to the U.S. military and various government agencies.
There are wear spots on the leather. The sofa is too heavy to move to clean & things that slip Down to the floor between the cushions require you to put the reclining seat all the way up, get down on your chest & hope the item is close. The steel frame sits on the floor making cleaning under it almost impossible.
The warranty requires you to ship the furniture to the factory for repair at your own expense. Due to the weight & the fact I wouldn’t begin to know how to ship it, makes it cost prohibitive.. we are buying new furniture, and it will certainly not be Flexsteel Friday, January 26, 2018
Thank you for your comment. One thing that I did not mention in my article is that, in general, reclining furniture and sleepers (furniture with mechanisms) will not last as long as stationary furniture. They have a far higher rate of problems and they are more expensive to fix. Also, leather makes the furniture substantially more expensive, more easily damaged and more expensive to repair.
You are absolutely correct about the fact that furniture companies count on prohibitive transportation charges to stop customers from returning defective or damaged furniture. Shipping a sleep sofa costs my company several hundred dollars and that is with our heavily discounted shipping rate which you are probably not eligible for.
Your situation is one of the biggest reasons why 80% of independent reviews of furniture companies are negative. Furniture is easy to damage. The cost of repairs is extremely high. As a result retailers (and manufacturers) do everything they can to avoid those repair costs.
One of the reasons for the success of Wayfair and other major online retailers is that they are able to offer their customers liberal return policies. They can do this because they charge back the supplier and do not incur the costs themselves. Approximately 20% of all furniture sold through Wayfair is returned.
Simplicity Sofas furniture was specifically designed to address this problem. Every piece is constructed using interchangeable and replaceable parts. If an arm is damaged we can just build and ship a replacement arm which our customer can install without tools in 5 minutes. The cost is minimal.
We can do the same with backs, bases, legs, cushion covers, cushion inserts, etc. Problems are also minimized by using extremely high quality materials such as solid oak frames, 2.5 density Ultracel foam and heavy-duty rated, stain-resistant fabrics.
Despite the problems with your Flexsteel furniture, they are a better than average furniture manufacturer. The category of furniture that you purchased is particularly susceptible to damage and expensive to repair Most of their competitors have even higher rates of problems and customer complaints. Sunday, January 28, 2018
Tuesday, February 6, 2018
Thank you for your comment. The purpose of this blog is not to publish reviews of specific products or companies. My articles on Flexsteel and other manufacturers are simply to point out construction details and things to watch out for in general.
I can tell you as a general rule that companies like Flexsteel, LaZBoy, Ethan Allen, Basset, Broyhill and other mid-range furniture manufacturers all make products today that are not the same quality as what earned them their reputations 30, 50 or 100 years ago.
Back then mid range furniture products were largely hand crafted by highly skilled workers. Now everything is highly automated and simplified. It is far more efficient but it is not the same product.
Thirty years ago a Flexsteel sofa may have taken 8 -12 hours of labor for the cutting, sewing and upholstering processes. Now a similar looking product can flow through the production line in 30 - 60 minutes.
On the other hand, over those same three decades, the prices have increased very little, despite the tremendous amount of inflation that has occurred during that time period.
According to recent industry statistics nearly 70% of furniture purchasers rate price as the #1 factor in their purchasing decision.
If you wish to publicize how you feel about your furniture you may want to try the following venues:
Yelp is good for local retailers
ConsumerAffairs.com is better for national retailers.
Brand names such as Flexsteel can be reviewed on the following sites:
Pissed Consumer
Houzz.com
Reddit.com
Amazon.com
You can also leave reviews on the Flexsteel website or on individual retailer websites, but those companies usually have the option of deleting or hiding any reviews they do not like. Sunday, April 29, 2018
I then contacted Flexsteel directly who contacted the resale store and still didn’t get any customer Service.
Avoid buying from them because they don’t care about you after the sale!! Wednesday, May 2, 2018
There are actually three different problems that you are facing:
Most mass produced sofas feature poor quality cushions.
On most low and mid-priced sofa, cushions are the first part to wear out and need replacement.
Warranties (including extended warranties) are specifically written so that almost anything that can go wrong with a cushion is either "normal wear" or "abuse." Neither is covered under warranty.
Neither the manufacturer or the retailer is set up to replace worn out cushions. Your best course is to take them to a custom upholster (or reupholster or upholstery repair shop) and ask for better quality cushon inserts.
My suggestion is to ask for either foam cushions with a density of 2.2 or higher or high quality spring down cushion inserts. Most small upholstery shop should be able to put a much better quality insert into your existing cushion covers.
The subject of cushions is discussed in detail in my blog article What Everyone Needs to Know Before Buying Their Next Sofa.
Once you have purchased your furniture from a retailer, the manufacturer is no longer responsible for most types of problems or defects. (This is probably why Flexsteel is not responding to you.)
Once a retailer has accepted receipt of a product from the manufacturer they become responsible for most types of defects or problems unless they are caught immediately and the manufacturer is notified promptly.
Once an item has been sitting in the retailer's warehouse for several months (or weeks) it becomes difficult for the retailer to establish to the manufacturer that the defect did not occur after they took receipt of the furniture.
Manufacturer's warranties are not written for the benefit of the consumer. They are written specifically to protect the manufacturer from liability for most common types of complaints. These include nearly anything that may go wrong with either fabric or cushions.
The most obvious example of this is the thousands of lawsuits that have resulted from peeling "bonded" leather sold to customers who thought they were purchasing genuine top grain leather made from animal hides. Consumers very rarely win these cases, even when the fabric begins to peel after only a few months. See my blog article
Why is the leather on my sofa peeling?
The retailer may offer extended warranties or other types of warranties but these also will typically have multiple exceptions and disclaimers excluding them from responsibility for making repairs or replacements in most cases.
The basic problem behind all of this is the high costs of making, repairing, transporting and replacing furniture.
Mass produced furniture is made with low quality cushions because when they are new in the showroom customers cannot tell the difference between a cheap cushion and a better quality one that may add 0 or more to the retail price of the sofa. No store wants to have a sofa that looks identical to one at its competitor's showroom but costs more.
Repairs and replacements have none of the efficiencies of the original mass production and will frequently cost more than the total profit made on the sale.
Repairing or replacing cushions (or any other part of a furniture piece) is expensive, time consuming and disrupts the normal flow of business. Simply sending a repair person to "examine" a problem can cost or more. Actually taking care of a problem usually costs far more.
As a result the retailer will go to great lengths to avoid dealing with the situation. The most effective tactic is simple "poor" customer service. By not responding promptly most customers eventually give up and go away.
By continuing to pressure the retailer, you may eventually get them to replace your cushions with others of the same quality.
Many years ago I was a buyer for a major furniture chain.
Customer complaints that could not be easily and inexpensively resolved were passed from the salesperson or customer service agent to a sales manager to a store manager to the merchandise manager and then to the store owner.
Anyone with enough perseverance to make it to the owner generally got whatever they wanted. Everyone else's job was to make sure the complaint didn't get that far.
Your fastest and best long term solution is probably to have the cushion core inserts replaced by a local upholstery shop. Depending on the size and type of cushion (and where you live) this can usually be done for - 0 per cushion.
Wednesday, May 2, 2018
If you read through the many articles I have written on the topic, I consistently state that I consider Flexsteel among the best made mid priced mass produced upholstered furniture currently being made.
I also point out, in many articles I have written, that frames and foundations are not the problem with furniture currently being produced. The standard 1.8 density cushions that are used in most furniture will fail long before the frames, foundations or even the fabric.
It has also been my experience that motion furniture (in general) is far more likely to incur problems over time than stationary furniture (without mechanisms.)
I do have extensive knowledge of Flexsteel's product among others since I was the Federal government representative for Flexsteel during a 5 year period in the late 1980s. (My firm also represented Ethan Allen and about a dozen other major manufacturers (many of which are no longer in business.)
I was Flexsteel's corporate representative in a law suit between Flexsteel (and GSA) against Drexel Heritage (and the State Dept.) in which the U.S. government ruled that Flexsteel's blue steel frame was "as good or better than" 8 way hand-tied foundations.)
Prior to my time with the government contract consulting firm, I also spent 6 years as a buyer for a major retail furniture chain where I became familiar with hundreds of different furniture brands and constructions. For example I bought Ashley furniture for my stores when it was just a small company making only bookcases and occasional tables in Wisconsin.
In summary, I have never singled out Flexsteel (or any other individual furniture company) as producing "bad" furniture. I do suggest that people research "reviews and complaints" on Google before purchasing any furniture. (Flexsteel does have a problem with more negative reviews than most furniture companies, but part of that is due to the size of the company and the fact that people are more likely to write reviews about negative experiences than positive ones.)
My articles try to highlight the strengths and weaknesses of furniture construction in general by describing current industry practices and suggesting general guidelines for avoiding the most serious problems that furniture purchasers may encounter.
Jeff Frank, President
Simplicity Sofas Sunday, June 10, 2018
The craftsmanship is excellent. The leather is still beautiful.
The seat part of my husbands chair needs new stuffing or foam but that’s about the worst of it.
We had a flexsteel sofa before and we gave it away only because we wanted new furniture. It was also a great piece of furniture.
Thanks flexsteel!! Sunday, July 1, 2018
Thank you Wednesday, July 18, 2018
Wednesday, July 18, 2018
Before purchasing any motion furniture you should be aware that the larger pieces such as motion sofas, loveseats and sectionals typically have a higher rate of problems and service issues than other types of seating.
These pieces are extremely heavy. Motion furniture frame construction is usually weaker than for stationary sofas or sectionals. If they are dropped or mishandled the delicate mechanisms and motors are easily damaged.
Repairs and service on motion furniture can be extremely expensive. Furniture warranties are typically written to minimize the responsibility of the retailer and manufacturer to cover these costs.
For example, the warranty may state that the manufacturer will repair the product free of charge for the warranty period providing that the customer pays shipping to and from the manufacturer's factory.
The problem with this language is that packaging and shipping a motion sofa from your home to the manufacturer is usually prohibitively expensive.
It can cost many hundreds of dollars to box and ship large bulky furniture items and there is a significant possibility of additional damage caused during the shipping process.
Reclining chairs are less of a problem. They can usually be partially dis-assembled and are far easier to transport if a part needs replacement.
Thursday, July 19, 2018
Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately this is an industry wide problem. In general, the quality and life expectancy of motion (reclining) furniture (particularly with power mechanisms) is less than for stationary furniture, even when made by the same company.
Before purchasing any motion furniture you should be aware that the larger pieces such as motion sofas, loveseats and sectionals typically have a higher rate of problems and service issues than other types of seating.
These pieces are extremely heavy. Motion furniture frame construction is usually weaker than for stationary sofas or sectionals. If they are dropped or mishandled the delicate mechanisms and motors are easily damaged.
Repairs and service on motion furniture can be extremely expensive. Furniture warranties are typically written to minimize the responsibility of the retailer and manufacturer to cover these costs.
For example, the warranty may state that the manufacturer will repair the product free of charge for the warranty period providing that the customer pays shipping to and from the manufacturer's factory.
The problem with this language is that packaging and shipping a motion sofa from your home to the manufacturer is usually prohibitively expensive.
It can cost many hundreds of dollars to box and ship large bulky furniture items and there is a significant possibility of additional damage caused during the shipping process.
Reclining chairs are less of a problem. They can usually be partially dis-assembled and are far easier to transport if a part needs replacement.
It sounds as though you have also run into the bonded leather problem that I have addressed in several of my articles. This is a material that should be forbidden from use by the furniture industry. There are far better faux leather polyurethane and vinyl fabrics that cost the same. The only excuse for bonded leather is to fool customers into thinking they are buying real leather at greatly reduced prices.
Genuine leather would have cost you an additional 00 - 00 but it would not have affected any of the mechanical or frame problems you have experienced.
Recently a study by the furniture industry found that most people expect their new upholstered furniture purchase to last 3 - 5 years before needing replacement. A similar study done 10 years ago found that people expected new upholstered furniture to last 7 - 10 years.
Flexsteel is not the only manufacturer to lower the quality of their furniture over the past couple of decades. You will find the same thing with every major low or mid-priced furniture manufacturer.
There are far fewer furniture retailers than there were 20 years ago and the vast majority now are huge chains with dozens or hundreds or thousands of stores.
Competing for the business of these major retailers forces the large manufacturers to cut every possible cost out of their products. The result is furniture that lasts only 3 - 5 years.
Jeff Friday, August 10, 2018
I received a note from a Flexsteel sales representative a few months ago who says they are now using the blue steel spring in the Latitudes line. It is easy to tell whether or not your furniture has it. If you turn the furniture over and look underneath there will not be a fabric dust cover. You will see the wide flat blue steel spring very clearly if it is there. Tuesday, October 2, 2018
Question: The cushions are not as thick as I want. The foam seems to be in good condition. Should I add thickness or get new foam? Tuesday, October 2, 2018
Get the best quality cushion you can afford. Check out spring down or spring fiber cushions. Those are cushions with a coil spring center surrounded by a foam border and topped with a jacket of down and feathers or fiber. (Fiber is cheaper than feathers. Feathers are cheaper than Down (a very small soft type of feather.)
The amount of fiber, feathers or down used in a cushion with coil springs is minimal, however, and most people can't tell any difference in comfort for the additional or cost difference (per cushion.)
If you choose to go with a foam cushion get an HR (High Resiliency) foam with a density of at least 2.2 (preferably 2.5.)
The most common foam density used for furniture sold in stores is 1.8. That feels fine when brand new, but will begin to break down within 1 - 3 years of normal use.
Foam densities above 2.5 are available (and will last longer) but are generally used only in public use seating or where a very thin cushion is required.
One other note - Flexsteel sofas made 50 years ago were far more durable than those made over the past 10 years. Tuesday, October 2, 2018
After 4 to 5 months the seats on both sofa and love seat broke down and are sagging at the back with very little support. I contacted Walkers furniture and they are installing what they call a kit to reinforce the seats. Since a kit exists for these problems I believe Flexsteel is well aware of these problems. I did contact Flexsteel on their website and they replied to work thru the store I purchased them from. And my back problems have gotten worse with this 2nd set. If the reinforcements don’t work or not satisfactory what do you recommend me to do. If the problem is not satisfactorily repaired I am considering a product liability suit against Flexsteel and the furniture store. I asked the guys that picked up the loveseat for repair if they pick up other Flexsteel sofas for repair. They replied they do. I suspect there are more issues than the public knows, especially the latitudes line. I thought a manufacturer is to place a label on the items noting country of manufacture. Thank you for your response. Tuesday, October 9, 2018
Dorothy,
Thank you for your email. The problems you have described are fairly common for low and mid-priced reclining furniture in general. They are not exclusive to Flexsteel or to imported items. I go into some redetail on this topic in several articles I have written, including my recent article on Best American Made Reclining Furniture.
Before you consider the time and expense of a product liability lawsuit against Flexsteel, you should be aware that furniture manufacturers are well aware of potential comfort, durability and quality issues with their products. Large reclining pieces, in particular, have a far higher percentage of complaints than stationary seating.
That is why manufacturers' warranties are written so that there are disclaimers and exclusions for almost all common issues, including the ones that you have described. In addition the manufacturer's warranty will specify that you need to go through the retailer for any remedies.
You are actually fortunate that you have a retailer that is responsive to your complaints and is attempting to make an effort to help you. That is not always the case. Retailer warranties are often written so that they can insulate themselves from responsibility.
Most furniture warranties limit liability by excluding anything that can be considered "normal wear." That usually includes all of the most common types of complaints including sagging cushions, worn out fabrics, loose stitching, etc. The exclusions and disclaimers are usually hidden in small print in the middle or at the end of the warranty document.
If you initiate any litigation there is a high likelihood that you will be unsuccessful. Large companies have corporate attorneys who have encountered all of these arguments previously. You also run the risk of losing the cooperation of your retailer if they are concerned they may be drawn into litigation.
Your best chance at winning (or settling) a lawsuit is if you can show that a safety hazard exists. Tuesday, October 9, 2018